Group on The moon chain
Dear Stephen & co,
Thanks for your great compilation work Stephen - I'm just getting in to them now starting with the Earth Chain.
Couple of points that struck me:
In this fourth chain, the quaternary dominates, or the synthesis of the three so as to produce a fourth, and this is one reason for the intensely material nature of those who entered the human kingdom on this planet. [TCF1146]
This seems to relate to the fourth quality of deity, the saving force being revealed through a synthesis of Shamballa, Hierarchy, humanity - and the dawning of the the day of the 'fourth kumara'
The other point of interest is about the cosmic moon. We know the failure on the moon chain has it's analogy in the scheme represented by the saturn scheme as the 'cosmic moon' ( really the scheme moon ) . The relationship between the scheme Heavenly Men and their prototypical solarsystems hides the mystery according to TCF 416. Do you think there is a seven solar system 'moon' ie one of the seven solarsystems being a 'failure'. If so do you think it might be the Pleiades? As Vic says, if the Gt bear is a Yogi then does that make the Pleades Boo Boo?
Best
B
Dear Bruce
and group,
Your excellent comments caused me to research a bit more deeply again
the
references to our cosmic moon. Check out, if you wish, page 1113 of
Cosmic
Fire wherein much is explained. thanks!
S
Dear brothers,
Good morning 7:15 am here as I send these first, fresh, opening,
morning
thoughts out along the the heartfelt path. Ok - here goes;
a few thoughts
on some great observations, comments and questions:
SDP> I think this particular quote is refreshingly clear
and straight
forward. We are in the 4th chain out of seven major in the earth
scheme;
secondly, we are in the 4th round of the said chain. but as to your
question, you are quite right. All of us, I think it is fair to state,
have
run up against this roadblock in T.S. literature, as you say, but
most
certainly, as well, in the writings of D.K. He also alternates his
use of
terminology particularly in reference to the use of the word round
in
relationship to rounds of rounds, globes, chains etc. a round is simply
in
that context refering to a circle of comple globes, chains . I think
it is
correct to state that one circuit through or round through seven centers
is
the archetypical patttern. The time lines are thrown way off
. so yes, the
second cosmic Initiation on Judegement day and the link - on
the planetary
antahkarana - between the manasic permanent atom of the PL and the
mental
unit. Remember, the His 4th initiation in this 4th chain not
in this 4th
round.
D.K., at time on this chain theme is just as confusing and at time
seemingly
contradictory as he is on the theme of the constellations and solar
systems.
You know he refers to the logos of the constellation of Draco
as a solar
Logos? go figure!?
for example: the Moon chain can also be counted as thge 4th
chain in this
solar manvantara and the most material of all. Both D.K. and HPB make
mention of this fact. The earth chain is then counted as either the
3rd or
the 5th depending on which way you count. Now, you really, don't
want me to
attempt to explain that also do you? (smile!) ( I do have references
later
if you insist!)
love to all,
S.
>Also while we are on time the figures given for a year of Brahma
and a week
>don't seem to coorelate. If a week is the period of seven rounds
in a
>scheme
>then how can a year be the period of seven chains ( which is a
scheme,
>no? ). Phillip's paper lays out the time equation well but putting
the
>chains and schemes into a linear time relationship remains somewhat
>challenging
Is judgement day in the next chain round
> >( and therefore likely to occurr on the mercury globe of
the earth
chain )
> >or in the next scheme round ( inwhich case it is likely to
occurr on the
> >mercury chain ) or both?
[Bruce
Lyon]
In answer to my own query is this quote
It ( Judgement Day ) will result in the triumph (the ultimate triumph) of Spirit over matter, in the driving out of certain groups as yet unable to shake themselves free from the trammels of matter, and who prefer captivity to the life of the Spirit; it will mark the beginning of the obscuration of our scheme, and the gradual passing into pralaya, during the remaining two and a half rounds of our entire seven chains. It is an interesting occult fact that our Earth should now be in her fifth round, and paralleling the Venusian scheme, but the moon chain of our scheme saw a period of temporary retardation of the evolutionary process of our Heavenly Man; it resulted in a temporary slowing down of His activities, and caused "lost time,"
Seems clear that this JD at least is in the fifth scheme round. My supposition is that the PL will take the fourth sub of the second cosmic initiation in this fourth round and in the fourth chain but probably on the fifth globe - mercury. Similarly , in the fifth scheme round the second cosmic will be taken on the Mercury chain ( and probably fifth globe of that chain ).
If the moon chain fiasco caused us to be a whole scheme round behind where we should be, my time equations work that out to be a loss of approximately
846,720,000,000 mortal years . Puts my own ( not insignificant ) incarnational stuff ups into perspective.
I think it is
> correct to state that one circuit through or round through seven
centers
is
> the archetypical patttern.
[Bruce
Lyon]
Agreed
The time lines are thrown way off . so
yes,
the
> second cosmic Initiation on Judegement day and the link
- on the
planetary
> antahkarana - between the manasic permanent atom of the PL and
the mental
> unit. Remember, the His 4th initiation in this 4th chain
not in this 4th
> round.
[Bruce
Lyon]
Yes good point - I think it will actually
be in the fifth chain round of this fourth chain within the greater fourth
scheme round - see above.
. The earth chain is then counted as either the 3rd or
> the 5th depending on which way you count. Now, you really,
don't want me
to
> attempt to explain that also do you? (smile!) ( I do have
references
later
> if you insist!)
[Bruce
Lyon]
Yes, its a bugger TCF 596
>
> It is interesting to note that the only planet in the solar system
that I
am
> aware of with 0 degree axial inclination is mercury. Mercury
is
> demonstrating complete axial stabilization with no precessional
cycle.
think
> about this!. Mercury is in what I would term a great golden
age within
the
> system. Again, I thin that the Monadic ray of the solar Logos
is the 4th
> great ray, as you know and, the fact that Mercury is perfectly
oriented
and
> aligned with the ecliptic north pole I find highly significant
and
> indicatory or much of profound occult symbolism. Further, mercury
is the
> planetary school of training for the adepts of the 5th path -
the path
that
> I mantain does not lead from ouir solar system - the ray path.
Our solar
> Logos is the Lord of the 5th Path (well, at present, at least
in my mind,
> for whatever that is worth! smile!)
[Bruce
Lyon]
Mercury is the only planet given clearly in the charts on the chains and schemes. I too think it is highly significant to the initiatory process
in our whole solar system. It's fourth ray soul would be the perfect distribution point for the fourth ray monad of Sol. At the second initiation we know that we get a hit from the monad. Seems fitting that the second cosmic be taken in the mercury scheme, no?
>
> Eciptic north pole is in Draco the Dragon. This symbolism is
interesting.
> we know that Draco transmits force to our system via the Pleiades,
is the
> source of the 7th ray and basse of the spine center etc. its placement
in
> this position is most profound. I do not of course know what to really
make
> of it but am meditating on that as well.
>
> It seems to me that given our known distance from alcyone and given
the
> known velocity of the anti-clockwise movement of our solar system
aroun
the
> CSS, a 5th ray brother should b e able to begin to work out some
interesting
> astronomical models. The inclination of the sun's axis is 7 degrees
and 15
> minutes. What is the rate or precession of the equinoxes of
the sun in an
> annual year in the system of 250,000 years - one sweep of the sun
in a
> moment of time!!! How could we possibly account for the gravitational
> affect of the cosmic moon on our sun causing it to move "backwards"
as
does
> the earth.
[Bruce
Lyon]
ummmm looking for a fifth ray brother......!
>
> Again, do we not see how perfectly the law of correspondence and
analogy
> between the earth and the sun work out. I am truly amazed but when
> understood in context it becomes very easily exercised with straight
> knowledge. How perfectly and imperfectly the earth mirrors and reflects
the
> purpose, plan and process of the sun. this knowledge is the essence
of the
> greater zodiac and its union with the lesser zodiac in the mind's
of those
> with shamballic consciousness because the number 24 is the number
of
> shamballa and the number of the combination of the two wheels of
12.
Again,
> we see the theme of duality running throughout. the system of spiritual
> mathematics is exercised however without any sense of duality whatsoever
> because no duality or sense of separation betweenb the greater and
the
> lesser exists in shamballic consciousness for it is indeed the result
of
the
> union of the 12=12. Of course, I think this whole principle
is key to the
> understanding of the law of the supplementary seven and rule VIII
as well
> but I know we have discussed this at times a some length. I
am just
> shooting these thoughts straight off the hip and I hope that they
are
> somewhat clear enough to follow and are making some sense.
[Bruce
Lyon]
Yes - great to encounter your mind again Stephen and happy to be hit by stray bullets at this stage of the probe. [Bruce Lyon] The 24 is profound.
The breaking of 'time and space' is of course relative not absolute. We break our consciousness out of one ring pass not after another
until its time to break out of consciousness altogether. An initiate, as you point out, holds the greater pattern which contains within it, fractal like all the lesser ring pass nots his consciousness was previously trapped in. The breaking of time and space at the third initiation referred to in formula three is the release from the time and space of the three worlds or Great Illusion - the consciousness is free then to grasp the whole pattern through buddhi - it is still largely limited by being contained within the fourth subplane of the cosmic physical plane however! What makes such a difference is that this is a cosmic ether and, flowing through buddhi, can be experienced a full range of higher cosmic energies. At this time , when all the fours are lined up, the little human consciousness polarised on the buddhic plane is the recipient of energies flowing down the cosmic antahkarana from the cosmic logos. What a time! Now, if we can just get 24 people together to hold each others soul fingers on the buddhic plane and create a big container, just think what nectar we might channel through the ol fourth creative hierarchy!
Re the moon failure again: the heavenly man of our scheme is linked
to
> Draco, the Dragon. The failure on the moon was involved with 1.,
the
sacral
> center, and, 2., the misuse and misderection of the kundalini.
the
> implications and disasterous consequences are obvious and we live
with
every
> day.
[Bruce
Lyon]
Oh yes, on the moon we kept trying to sleep our way to the top!! :)
the object of the kundalini is
the solar plexus center - again,
> judgement day. it is a dual center, under 5th ray, law of cleavages,
linked
> with the first ray so the manu will make use to separate and divide
the
> sheep from the goat - the higher and the lower!
> >
If the thought is that the earth scheme is the base chakra and the source of kundalini then Venus is the heart and being vitalised in the bigger system. However DK says that it is the solar plexus centre of the earth scheme that the Pl is trying to activate. ( the solar plexus centre of the base centre ?) This would mean that within the earth scheme there is an attempt to flow energy from the chain representing the base ( earth ) to the chain representing the solar plexus ( mercury ? ). Might make sense if the systemic ht ( venus ) helped us make the transfer of kundalini to the scheme s/p ( mercury ). If this were so we would expect a major transfer of souls from the earth chain to the mercury chain during the fifth round of this chain.
Systemic kundalini goes forward to the vivification of these centres, and at this stage of development certain centres are more closely allied than others. Just as in connection with our planetary Logos, the three etheric planets of our chain—Earth, Mercury and Mars—form a triangle of rare importance, so it may be here said that at the present point in evolution of the logoic centres, Venus, Earth and Saturn form one triangle of great interest. It is a triangle that is at this time undergoing vivification [Page 182] through the action of kundalini; it is consequently increasing the vibratory capacity of the centres, which are becoming slowly fourth-dimensional Tcf 182
If the SL is taking the third then we would expect a head, heart base of spine triangle to be ineffect - or at least a throat heart base ( saturn, venus earth )
If the PL is taking the second cosmic then we would expect a base, heart, solar plexus triangle.
If the chain lord is taking the fourth then what triangular relationship might we expect between globes?
The compilations are great Stephen - as is Phillips timeline - they lend great strength to the synthetic process
Best
Bruce
A thought: one complete cycle of 25,000 years (a precessional
cycle)
corresponds to an egoic cycle of our planetary Logos and concerns
the
relationship of (Him) to the solar logos as the later
respondsto the
energy of a zodiacal constellation. ( I am here just paraphrasing
D.K.)
the precessional cycle of the sun - (250,000 x 250,000?) would
then by
analogy correspond to an egoic cycle of the solar Logos and concern
his
relationship to the cosmic logos as the later responds to the energy
of a
zodiacal constellation (?)
One precessional cycle Sol is of no more relative importance
than a single
"Platonic" year. The earth has experienced counteless -
(just kidding) (?)
25,000 year periods of precession it its history. So to has the solar
Logos
in his greater history. Remember how dk says a complete
revolution is just
a moment in time, already a consummated fact in the eternal now and
a fait
accompli. the great sweep but a moment in time - I love that expression.
In any event - these are just extrapolated thoughts abstracted from
the
ethers spontaneously emerging into my consciousness as I happily
ponder!
We can see how wonderful is the law of Analogy and correspondence.
the close
connection between sK and the Solar Logos accounts for much as the
former is
the personal disciple of the latter - is he not!
SK is the perfect embodiment of the 7th type of force. Hence, the
schem
numbers are 777. His relationship to the sun is the same as the relation
of
the head center to the base of the spine. that is; once again, the
sun is to
the earth what the head is to the base. In the base the "highest
and Lowest
Meet". How perfectly does the process of the Planetary
logos accurately
mirror and reflect that of his great prototype - the solar Logos.
remember;
if memory serves me correct SK is on the 6th cosmic path - the Path
of
Training of the solar Logoi. Here, again is another major clue. This
path
leads to the Pleiades - the goal of the seven types - the souce of
the CCS.
with love,
stephen
For Joleen
The moon-chain is the former embodiment of the earth-chain. The moon-chain was the fourth and lowest embodiment in the current solar manvantara, and the earth-chain is the fifth embodiment.[13] The earth-chain embodied one subplane higher than the moon-chain and therefore the moon we see is not the former physical globe D of the moon-chain but the astral shell or kâma-rûpa of its globe D. ( SD 2:45, 115, 611. HPB)
I have temporarily “lost”the reference from d.K. on the earth chain as 3rd or 5th have searched for one hour now! DrAt! I did read it and will find it later. CD scan search on AAB disc does not have it referenced!
For Bruce
It must be remembered that every scheme has seven chains; that each chain has seven globes, making a totality of forty-nine globes; [367] that each globe is again in turn occupied, by the life of the Logos during what we call seven rounds, making literally three hundred and forty-three incarnations, or fresh impulses to manifest. We must add to these major manifestations such lesser ones as those named by us root-races, and subraces, also branch races, and thus we are faced with a complexity that is enough to stagger the average student. The planetary wheel of life turns on its lesser scale the wheel of life of the little pilgrim we call man; as it turns, it sweeps the life of the evolving planetary Logos into ever new forms and experiences until the fire of Spirit burns up all lesser fires.
–these may help you. I can not testify to the figures given. They are from David Pratt’s excellent site. Phillip has noted some problems with his time linmes in some cases but over all he is excellent – a brother on the 5th ray.
A mahâ-manvantara or universal manvantara [16] -- also called a life or age of Brahmâ -- lasts 100 divine years, a divine year being equal to 360 of Brahmâ's days and nights. The mahâ-manvantara therefore comprises 36,000 planetary embodiments, and lasts 36,000 x 8,640,000,000 = 311,040,000,000,000 years. It is followed by a mahâ-pralaya. The moon-chain was the 18,000th embodiment and marked the end of the first half of the mahâ-manvantara. The earth-chain is the 18,001st embodiment.[17]
Seven planetary rounds = one planetary manvantara or kalpa, or day of Brahmâ,[8] equal to 4,320,000,000 years. It is followed by a planetary pralaya, or night of Brahmâ, a parinirvânic period of the same length. During the pralaya the lower principles of each globe of the planetary chain disintegrate. At the dawn of the next planetary manvantara the planetary chain reembodies.
6. The current planetary manvantara of the earth-chain began approximately 2 billion years ago.[9] The fourth round on globe D began about 320 million years ago.[10] The midpoint was reached in the middle of the fourth subrace of the fourth root-race, some 4.5 million years ago.[11]
7. Seven planetary manvantaras and pralayas (i.e. seven planetary embodiments) = one (minor) solar manvantara or solar kalpa, or week of Brahmâ. It is followed by a solar pralaya.
8. During a solar manvantara, the globes of a planetary chain successively embody one subplane lower in each of the first four embodiments, then one subplane higher in each of the last three embodiments. After seven embodiments a planetary chain enters a new cosmic plane. During each planetary embodiment, the globes materialize during the first three and a half rounds and then etherealize, thereby descending and ascending through seven sub-subplanes.[12]
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[8] Also called a planetary-chain manvantara, and sometimes a mahâ-manvantara (OG 20, 76, 102; FEP 115), or a solar manvantara (FSO 160). A planetary round is sometimes called a minor manvantara (OG 118; FEP 172; Dia 3:409). 'Minor manvantara' can also refer to a globe-round, and 'major manvantara' to a planetary round (SD 2:308-9), while an obscuration is sometimes called a minor pralaya (SD 1:12fn, 18, 172n; Transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge, 42). 'Minor manvantara' and 'minor pralaya' can also refer to a planetary manvantara and pralaya (Mahatma Letters [ML], 88, 93-4, 97-8). Note that there are really 12 rounds (FEP 111; Dia 2:260, 3:169, 281, 441-2; SD 2:257).
A planetary round [4] is the passage of a life-wave from globe A to globe G, and lasts, on average, 616,896,000 years.[5] On each globe each life-wave goes through seven stages of development (root-races); this is known as a globe-round.[6] A planetary round therefore consists of seven globe-rounds.