The Shamballa School, international residential spiritual school

THE ONE COSMIC LODGE

The One Cosmic Initiator

THE GREAT MAHARISHI

Lord of the Seven Rishis

our cosmic Logos

The cosmic Manu The Logos of Ursa Major

The cosmic Christ The Logos of Sirius

The cosmic Mahachohan The Logos of the Pleiades

The Seven Solar Ray Lords

Ray I The Logos of Ursa Major

Ray II The Logos of Sirius

Ray III The Logos of the Pleiades

Ray IV The Logos of [Sol]

Ray V The Logos of Betelgeuse

Ray VI The Logos of Antares

Ray VII The Logos of Draco

A question here: Do you see Sol as part of a seven star system or is your view that the sun and the planets make up a ‘constellation’?

Similarly with Betelgeuse and Antares. Is this Orion and Scorpio or just the stars?

note: It only takes 'Seven Masons to make a Lodge".

I would like also to emphasize - perhaps unnecessarily - that Sirius, the Great Bear and the Pleiades work through the medium of the twelve constellations, pouring their influences through nine of them in particular, but that these major constellations are not part of the zodiac with which we are concerned. They, with the seven solar systems of which ours is one, are the ten constellations connected with a still greater zodiac which is not conditioned by the numerical significance of the number twelve. Hence ten is regarded as the number of perfection. There is confusion in the minds of some of the less learned students (astrologically considered) on this point. [E.A.112]

I can read this a couple of ways.

- the nine constellations are not part of the zodiac that we know – ie they are not Aries or Taurus ….Pisces

- or that they are in fact nine of the twelve constellations we do know plus SSSOQOIO

There is confusion in my mind so I guess I am one of the less learned. What do you think?

What are the ten systems - the three and the seven - of which our solar system is one? Must we look for the major three within the seven, or extraneously? [T.C.F.354]

Again some clarification.

If our system is a ‘constellation’ within a cosmic logos that includes Gt Bear Sirius etc then are those major three part of the seven?

Or if our system needs to be linked with six others before it is on a par with Gt Bear Sirius etc then what might those others be?

The three major Rays, being dual, are their own sufficient explanation. They are at present the mode of expression of the three aspects, and demonstrate under their appropriate Logoi, Who manipulate world affairs through the three departments, of which the rulers on our planet are the Lord Maitreya, the Manu, and the Mahachohan. [T.C.F.599]

The Major Three

"These three groups of solar bodies (The Great Bear, the Pleiades and Sirius) are of paramount influence where the spiral cyclic activity of our system is concerned. Just as in the human atom, the spiral activity is egoic and controlled from the egoic body, so in connection with the solar system these three groups are related to the Logoic Spiritual Triad - atma-buddhi-manas - and their influence is dominant in connection with solar incarnation, with solar evolution and with solar progress." (C.F. 1058)

Lying behind all the many interlocking triangles in our solar system and conditioning them to a very large extent (though today more potentially than expressively) are three energies coming from three major constellations. They are the emanations from the Great Bear, from the Pleiades and from Sirius. It might be pointed out that: [EA.416]

With regard to the interlocking triangles between the stars of the GT Bear, our planetary logoi and the stars of the Pleiades – I am seeing these as equivalent to the planets of two schemes being in relationship to the chain of another scheme – ie that there is a difference in level. My supposition is that you see them all on the same level and you would explain this by saying that our planets are brothers of the sun in which case our solar system could be seen as a ‘constellation’ at least in potential. Is this a correct summation of your position?

"The energies coming from the Great Bear are related to the will or purpose of the solar Logos and are to this great Being what the monad is to man. This is a deep mystery and one which even the highest initiate cannot yet grasp. Its sevenfold unified energies pass through Shamballa."

Ray I

The energies coming from the sun, Sirius, are related to the love-wisdom aspect or to the attractive power of the solar Logos, to the soul of that Great Being. This cosmic soul energy is related to the Hierarchy. You have been told that the great White Lodge on Sirius finds its reflection and a mode of spiritual service and outlet in the great White Lodge of our planet, the Hierarchy.

Ray II

The energies coming from the Pleiades, an aggregation of seven energies, are connected with the active intelligent aspect of logoic expression, and influence the form side of all manifestation. They focus primarily through Humanity.

Ray III

Behinds these three Great comic Lives stands the Great cosmic Logos. Keep in mind, the Great Bear, Sirius and the Pleiades correspond to the threefold personality of the cosmic Logos, ie., Great Bear, Mental aspect, Sirius, astral aspect and the Pleiades as the physical aspect. In so doing they embrace the 18 lower cosmic sub- planes. Yet, at one and the same time, on a higher level, they are also simultaneously the expression of the three aspects of the supreme cosmic Logoic Triad. In this case, the Great Bear stands as the Atmic aspect , the Pleiades as the Buddhic and Sirius as Mahat. Then, on the highest level, Sirius drops out and is replaced by Ursa Minor. In this case, the trinity of the Logoic Monad of the cosmic Logos is composed of Great Bear, first aspect, Ursa Minor as the second and the Pleiades as the third.

The Cosmic Logoic Personality expression:

The Logos of the Great Bear.................Mental aspect

The Logos of the Sun Sirius..................Astral aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades....................Physical aspect

The cosmic Logoic Triad:

The Logos of the Great Bear................Atmic aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades....................Buddhic aspect

The Logos of the sun Sirius.................Mahat aspect

The Cosmic Logoic Monad:

The Logos of the Great Bear...................Will aspect

The Logos of the Little Bear....................Love aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades.......................Intelligence aspect

Ok I see the merit of this table but wonder where you have derived it – from the variety of quotes and hints in the teachings? What do you make of the flip in the triad ( Sirius going to third aspect) ( although the causal body is the ‘heart’ of the monad )

n connection with the karma of the solar Logos, the subject is even more abstract and incomprehensible. It lies hidden - not in the seven constellations - but in the three constellations which concern the three bodies of His Personality and which in themselves are but manifestations of a central LIFE past our concept and our recognition. It concerns the manifestation in time and space of the ONE ABOUT WHOM NAUGHT MAY BE SAID, [T.C.F.801]

Now – while I understand the concept of applying the three big dudes to the personality as an overview, surely there are seven constellations in the real big guy ( which may or may not INCLUDE Gt Bear, Sirius & Pleiades ). Therefore three of these must have a direct relationship with the three lower cosmic planes, even if they are later absorbed in the major three. Do you think these lower three are Betelgeuse, Antares and Draco?

This energy which impinges upon the solar sphere, and is thence distributed to all parts of the entire system, emanates from three cosmic centers, and, therefore, is triple during this particular cycle.

From the sevenfold great Bear.

From the Sun Sirius.

From the Pleiades. [T.C.F.1182]

Understanding the synthetic interplay of the major three Logoi is the key to the comprehension of the structure and constitution of the whole of the Great White Lodge. In the One Cosmic Lodge whose "Hall of Initiation is located on the Great Cosmic Sun Sirius, which only has three divisions or grades of Lives - not seven - the Sirian Logos corresponds to the Cosmic Bodhisattva, the Logos of the Great Bear to the Cosmic Manu, and the Logos of the Pleiades to the Mahachohan. All of them serve under the One Cosmic Initiator, the Cosmic Hierophant, "The Great Maharishi", Lord of the Seven Rishis - our cosmic Logos. He it is Whom stands to the Logos of Sirius, the expression of the Cosmic Christ, in the analogous manner that Sanat Kumura stands to Christ Bodhisattva on the white Lodge on Earth. The Sirian Logos presides over the lesser Cosmic Initiations of the Great White Lodge while the Cosmic Logos presides over the major cosmic initiations. (just like SK and the Christ on the White Lodge on Earth. (We have a corresponding and analogus initiatory process - the process on earth in an exact replica and a miniature copy of its great prototype!)

This is beautifully put together Stephen – a synthetic grasp of the whole system. OM!

The Rod of the cosmic Logos associated with our solar Logos is secreted in that central spot in the heavens around which our solar system revolves, and which is termed "the central spiritual sun."

1. Cosmic, used by a cosmic Logos in the initiations of a solar Logos and of the three major Planetary Logoi.

The Central spiritual sun is the cosmic Sun "Alcyone" in the Pleiades. It is called the star of the "Individual" because it is the centre of axial -rotation for the entire local cosmic system or Universe of the One Cosmic Hierophant of the Great White Lodge.

The Cosmic Rod of Initiation of the One Cosmic Hierophant is kept hidden in the Central Spiritual Sun and is only used during the Major initiations of the seven solar Logoi and the three major Logoi of each of the seven solar schemes making 28 Lives in all. (3x7=21 +7 = 28). The lesser cosmic initiations of the planetary Logoi of the seven solar systems are presided over by the Cosmic Christ

The twenty eight ideas in the mind of god. The twenty eight stars in Capricorn

This can be predicated likewise of the entire ring-pass-not of the solar system in relation to its cosmic environment. Force flows into the solar system from three directions via three channels [T.C.F.156]:

1. The sun Sirius,

2. The Pleiades,

3. The Great Bear.

I would here point out the connection or correspondence in this statement to an earlier one made when speaking of solar radiation, and the channels through which it can be felt. These currents or radiations we call

1. Akashic.

2. Electrical.

3. Pranic

Understanding the synthetic interplay of the major three is the key to the whole One cosmic Lodge system in my view! In the One Cosmic Lodge on the Great white Lodge of Sirius, which only has three grades of Lives. these three groups are cosmic initiates, systemic initiates and planetary initiates. the three major groups of Lives work correspondingly on the rim, the spokes and the hub of the One Great Wheel. The three great groups of Lives on sirius correspond to the three tiers of petals which form the human egoic lotus. The Sirian Logos is the Cosmic Bodhisattva, the Logos of the Great Bear the Cosmic Manu, and the Logos of the Pleiades the Mahachohan. all of them serve under the One Cosmic Initiator, the Great Maharishis Lord of the Seven Rishis - our cosmic Logos.

The way I am reading it is that this guy would be a super-cosmic logos ie he would contain constellations as his centres?

He stands to the Logos of Sirius, the Cosmic Christ, in the same analogous way that SK the Silent Watcher, [final aspect] stands to Christ Bodhisattva. The Sirian Logos presides over the lesser Cosmic Initiations of the Great white Lodge while the Cosmic Logos presides over the major cosmic initiations. (just like SK and the Christ on the White Lodge on Earth. (We have a corresponding and analogus initiatory process - our on earth in a replica and a miniature copy of its great prototype!)

Behind these concepts of the relation existing in time and space between the constellations of the Great Bear, the Pleiades and the sun, Sirius, and our solar system, there exists, it must be remembered, an immense series of interlocking triangles between the stars which compose these constellations interiorly and our solar system. You have, therefore, a relationship between:

1.The seven stars, composing the Great Bear.

2.The seven stars, composing the Pleiades, sometimes called the seven "sisters" or "wives" of the Rishis or informing Lives of the Great Bear.

3. The sun, Sirius. [E.A.420]

These compose major triangles of force and all are held within the radius of the Life of that Great Being Whose expressed, manifested intention is brought into being through the medium of these three related groups and our solar system. As hinted by me in A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, these four groups of stars constitute the manifested aspect or personality of a great and unknown Life.

Note: The seven sacred planets of our solar system referred to as one of the "four groups of stars". Also note the direct inference that the Sirian system is a sevenfold system as well.

So the way I am understanding your take on this is:

Sirius is a triple system which operates through our sevenfold system – in a way perhaps it synthesises our system – is that correct? Or are you seeing Sirius as a separate system of seven stars that form triangles with our planets as ‘stars’ as well as the other two septenates? Where does our Sun fit into this?

Also see my paper for an understanding of how the first four centres in a being can become the lower quaternary in another being. I wonder what these three formless ( relatively ) higher groups are. And where are they – we would have to postulate another whole series of planes above the cosmic plane. Oh goody more space to explore!

The Logos of a solar system is esoterically called the "Sacred Triangle of all-inclusive Force" because this great Being includes within His focused awareness the fields of expression of the Great Bear, the Pleiades and Sirius. They are to Him what the heart, the head and the throat centers are to the developed initiate on this planet. [E.A.504]

On the Sirian system

"The influences of Sirius, three in number, are focused in Regulus, which is, as you know, a star of the first magnitude and which is frequently called "the heart of the Lion." There is more real occultism hidden in the names given to the various stars by astronomers down the ages than has yet been realized, and here you have a case in point." [EA.300]

The triple flame in the heart. The three fold sun.

note: DK does not say seven, he says three. Yes, Sirius works through all seven rays [ashrams]on the cosmical Hierarchical line. Nevertheless, it is extremely important to keep in mind; Sirius is, primarily considered a triple constellation and not a septenary one! The septenary display is subsidiary to the triple display.

So does this mean that Siius does have a septenary display as well – ie is tenfold?

this idea is senn figured in the construction of the great Inra-cosmic soul of our cosmic Logos - the Great Maharishi. It is not based on the number 12 is are the Lotuses of the other lesser Logoi but the number 10. Yes, a supernalflame surmounting seven tiers of petals - the seven solar schemes. Again the idea of a supernal three and a manifest seven is preserved. completing the Perfect 10. Or again, we seen figured the central Cosmic Idea of a triple life [spirit/soul/body] manifesting through seven centers. [classical occultism]The symbolism of the archetypical second ray 50 year orbital period of Sirius B around sirius A should not be lost on the numerically well trained trained esotericist.

The Sirian Logos synthesizes all 49 groups of cosmic ( do you mean planetary ?) souls on the 3rd-sub-plane of the 5th cosmic Mental Plane. Herein lies the key to the differentataion of the great Intra-cosmic soul of the One cosmic Logos into the 49 planetary Logoi of the seven solar Logoi which comprise the One Great Lodge. It is upon the 2nd sub-plane of the cosmic mental that the "triplicity" of the cosmic Soul ray is attained and correspondingly, it is on the 1st sub-plane that the "Unity" of the cosmic ray is attained. Sirius is itself, "the great manasic orb" - the source of Mahat and the third aspect of the Logoic Triad of the cosmic Logos. It finds itself correspondingly, I think, as the mental permanent atom on the atomic or 1st sub-plane of the cosmic Mental Plane. Again, this is the key to its primary triplicity as it is a primary aspect of the threefold Logoic Triad. the outstanding mental center in the human equipment is the ajna center and it is ruled by Venus for both ordinary man and disciples. It is only upon the Path of Initiation that the rulership changes to Mercury - buddhi and the 4th ray. [link to 4th Path?] The first vision of the door and the Paths is granted at the 3rd! Nonetheless, we know that the third initiation has everything to do with the Ajna center and the 5th ray. It is at this initiation that the Sirian influence is first consciously responded to and recognised. I think therefore for this reason and many more that Sirius corresponds to the cosmic Logoic Ajna center as well besides its multitudes of other Logoic correspondences - subjective and objective.

See my thoughts on the role of Sirius being similar to Venus in the midicosm ( yes we need a new word for solar states between cosmic and human!

Sirius is the threefold cosmic Sun brought to birth through the union of The Great Bear and the Pleiades. Fundamental mother/father is Great Bear/Pleiades - cosmic Atma/Buddhi. On the higher cosmic planes the Son drops out and is replaced by Ursa Minor, a "lesser reflection"and corollory of its great prototype, Ursa Major. I place Ursa Minor as the second aspect cosmic Logoic of the Great Intra-cosmic Monad of the Great Maharishi. For this reason this triangle does not concern those who still posses Egoic consciousness. The symbolism is obvious. Only 4th degree initiates and beyond can only begin to faintly grasp the inner significance of the supreme Cosmic Monadic Triangle of Will, Love and Intelligence.

Yes I correlate the relationship between Ursa Minor and Sirius with the relationship between Jupiter and Venus.

What do you think of the mad idea of Sirius ( the star ) actually being a type of avatar. I mean the Masters manifest through their mayavarupas when they want to. Could Sirius be a representative from the cosmic logos come via The cosmic ajna centre to manifest himself in this part of the galaxy during the period of time ( long ) that it takes for a solar logos to take initiation?

We get so retentive with all this physical astronomy stuff when these stars are really just the outpicturing in etheric matter of consciousness!

It has to do with the response of the ENTITY, to Whom our solar Logos is but a center in His Body, to the contacts made on that center and on its cosmic opposite. These two centers, for instance, our solar system and its cosmic opposite, [Sirius] in their interaction create a cycle period which has a relation to the "ONE WHO IS ABOVE OUR LOGOS." This is, of course; beyond human conception, but must be included in our enumeration of cycles if exactitude is to be achieved. [T.C.F.285]

Naughty naughty Stephen. He doesn’t say that Sirius is our cosmic opposite. Perhaps there are good reasons to think so. I would like to hear them though.

This quote clearly revelas that our solar system and Sirius are two centers in the body of the OAWNMBS. And we do know from DK that they both do revolve around Alcyone in the Pleiades as the CSS. The Sirian Logos can not be extraneous to our cosmic system - quite the contrary it is the soul of the system!

I have a couple of clarifications that I think will help our discussions – well mine at least!

The way I am thinking is this.

There is a being ‘seven solar systems of which ours is one’ that I would call a cosmic logos ( he contains seven suns )

I am seeing this being on a par with Gt Bear Sirius and so on ( although ) not part of the major three. So this cosmic logos ( SSSOWOIO) along with the other cosmic logoi ( Gt Bear etc being constellational logoi – ie having seven suns as their centres ) make up a greater super-cosmic logos ( who I think is not separate from the ‘unknown’ on page 293 or a Cosmic Parabrahm ( 344 ). The Throat chakra of this being would appear to be the Pleiades and the whole system circles this being in the same way that the planetary scheme ‘circles’ Saturn.

I am not too hung up on the astronomy as we are dealing with consciousness. I circle the Tibetan Master DK in that I am associated with him in consciousness which does not mean I walk round and round Shigatse in circles ( though I did try that with Kailas!)

The way I read it, you seem to be saying that the SSSOWOIO IS the Cosmic Logos that includes Gt Bear, Sirius, Pleiades etc ) To me, this leaves out one level in the same way that Michael’s explanation includes an extra level. You are two levels apart and I am trying for the middle way! Ready to be enlightened on this one though.

Really Stephen this is a beautiful piece of work. Bought tiers to my I’s!

In appreciation

Bruce

B>A question here: Do you see Sol as part of a seven star system or is your view that the sun and the planets make up a ‘constellation’?

Similarly with Betelgeuse and Antares. Is this Orion and Scorpio or just the stars?

S> Just the stars, as reflective correspondences to the point in center of the two respective cosmic [Laya] centers so to speak. So, no, in the ordinary sense then Antares is not part of the constellation of Scorpio. In the case of both Red giants, I subscribe to the view that they are septenary systemic/constellations composed interiorly of seven "Planetary Logoi as etheric centers in their Cosmic Great Body. Betelgeuse is mentioned as a blind by DK and at the same time as a definte ray source. My thinking leads me to speculate that blue Rigel could be the lower point of the cosmic Solar Plexus center and Betelgeuse the upper. The three belt stars, I would also include, interestingly making five principle stars for the fifth ray center. This fivefold configuration of stars forms a cross with a short horizontal arm with a long vertical arm - the symbol of Path III. Perhaps, however, Betelgeuse is the solar plexus within the solar plexus [Orion!?] I think not though; but the thought is tempting! The symbolism of Red Betelgeuse just above the celestial equator and brillan blue Rigel just below is to symbolically perfect and correct in terms of inner/outer structure, arrangement and appearance not to be so considered [at least].

My view is that our 4th order Heart system is in reality occultly viewed as and considered as an etheric constellation [the one referred to in Path V] and is in etheric manifestation on the 4th systemic plane; from thence, it vitalizes its outer shell or physical body. We have over 115 bodies in our constellation but esoterically we primarily regard the Sun and the seven "Sacred Planets" in manifestation on the 4th systemic etheric and therin triangulating with the three superior groups of "solar bodies" the Great Bear, sirius, and the Pleiades. Giant suns such as Jupiter can hardly be considered planets [not by conventional definition of what constitutes a planet. I regard the seven sacred Planetary Schemes as Seven "Suns" in their own right. Notice how in our dual soul/personlity ray solar system that it is the soul rays of the seven esoteric Suns that transmit the seven ray potency,of the synthetic ray of our cosmic system, the 2nd ray of Love. unecumbered by their already synthesized personality ray, into our systemic life. Each one of the Seven Suns of our constellaion are directly linked to one of the 7 cosmic logoic etheric centers; further, if we wish to extend the analogy, each one of the seven centers of our cosmic Logos is in direct alignment with its corresponding prototype in the sevenfold constitution of a Cosmic Parabrahman - the Unknown Life formed of seven constellations.

The structure of the Arup Universe, the four superior groups of Hierarchies on the atomic, sub-atomic, super-eheric and etheric sub-planes of our solar system:

seven cosmic Logoi.....Logoic Plane

Seven solar Logoi......Monadic Plane

Seven Planetary Logoi..Atmic Plane

Seven Human Logoi......Buddhic Plane

4 X 7 = 28 = 10.

I think that the cosmic rays circulate via the 4 superior Arupa sub-planes to and from, stepping up and down the later, via the follwoing four groups of inter-related entities. I see four levels of septenary Hierarchical interaction and etheric triangle inter-action, each related to one of the four sets of septenary centers found on the 4 etheric sub-planes.

Inter-related with this four-fold grouping of septenary Cosmic Initiates is the following:

The seven Rays

The seven Paths

The seven Ashrams

The seven Races

Again, in this inter-relationship we find four groups of septenary energies which equals 28. DK tells us that this inter-related grouping produces a synthesis on the cosmic mental plane which he, not being a liberated master is unable to explain!

Nonetheless, the correct circulation and distribution of the energies of the four superior groups and their physical manifestation through the respective divisions of human, planetary, solar and cosmic centers is in my view the key to the whole process and the fundamental means whereby the purpose of the Plan as a Whole works out. So I see, in other words, the distinctive objective structure of the Arupa or Formless Universe as being described by the 4 X 7 = 28 = 10. As we know, the Hierarchy of human Monads is on incarnation on the 4th solar plane, forming the petals of the centers of the 49 Planetary Logoi of the seven solar Logoi; moreover, further we know that the 4th is the only one of the four "superior" groups of Ray Logoi which can pass out of the etheric into the dense physical and therby take form. We are the 4th - the one in three and the three in One. All triangulation within the internal atomic etheric anatomy of our cosmic Logos is seen in the manifestation of the quaternary of the One cosmic Life:

Great Bear: 1st aspect

Sirius: 2nd aspect

Pleiades: 3rd aspect

[Sol]: 4th aspect

These four groups of solar bodies with seven primary schmes each are are all interiorly triangulated and inter-related. [as I know you just read]

note: It only takes 'Seven Masons to make a Lodge".

I can read this a couple of ways.

- the nine constellations are not part of the zodiac that we know - ie they are not Aries or Taurus ….Pisces

- or that they are in fact nine of the twelve constellations we do know plus SSSOQOIO

There is confusion in my mind so I guess I am one of the less learned. What do you think?

S> The causal body of the cosmic Logos is built based on the number "10" not on the number "12". this is the principle reason for the Greater Zodiac being ruled by Ten. The three constellations he is referring to based on my reading are the Great Bear, sirius and the Pleiades. He is simply telling us that these are three constellations not usually considered in relationship to the 12 constellations of the zodiac. As we know though they are the source of the seven rays via the constellations of the zodiac into our solar system. Nine of the 12 zodiacal constellations are specially involved in this process. The nine constellations here is referring two are the three constellations each which step down the energies of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rays into out system. [3X3=9] It takes three zodoiacal constellations to sep down one ray! At the same time the primary three retain their own identity intat on the unmanifested but differentiate on the manifested plane into the seven rays. This produces the perfect 10; that is, the manifest seven and the unmanifest three.

Number "10" is the number of the Great zodiac because all of our calculations of figuring the great zodiacal ray cycles incidental to the sweep of the seven solar Logoi around the CSS through the 12 constellations are figured using the dual Master Number - the Perfect 10.

We use the numbe 10 to figure both the interlude and transition periods of the sevn solar Logoi through the 12 constellations around the CSS.This is the cycle of the Greater zodiac. The cycles of the lesser zodiac are based upon the sweep of the seven Planetary Logoi around our [Sol] and passing at the same time through the 12 constellations.

Our solar system is built [a small replica of its great prototype]on the numbers 1,3,7,12 like the cosmic system. In the cosmic system seven solar Logoi form an inner circle which revolves within the outer circle of the 12. the three are within the seven and the One is within the three. In the solar schema again an inner circle of seven primary Logoi revolve around our central Sun and pass through the 12 constellations. Identical set up in both cases - the sole difference been the varying lengths of the greater zodiac cycles versus the lesser zodiac cycles.The use of the number 10 to figure the great zodiacal ray cycles is easily explained. Let me know if you are interested. These specific set of seven ray figures were given, at some point, in my initial 90 page document.

What are the ten systems - the three and the seven - of which our solar system is one? Must we look for the major three within the seven, or extraneously? [T.C.F.354]

Again some clarification.

If our system is a ‘constellation’ within a cosmic logos that includes Gt Bear Sirius etc then are those major three part of the seven?

S> Ys. The Great Bear, sirius and the Pleiades are three centers in the etheric body of our cosmic Logos. They do, of course, also have many other correspondences and functions up and down the planes.

S> Yes, in my view. Being the source of the three aspects and the three major rays they are dual and so accordingly as DK has taught they express both the three aspects and appear as the first of the three of the manifested seven simultaneously. The supernal three, in essence, remain in tact in "triune identity" on their own [noumenal] plane and yet at the same time demonstrate through the manifest septenary. The reference quote I submitted below explains this position.[tcf599]

Or if our system needs to be linked with six others before it is on a par with Gt Bear Sirius etc then what might those others be?

No, I think not. Seven primary etheric centers orbit the CSS - the Egoic Pole of our cosmic Logos. I regard this circle of "solar bodies" with their attendant mathematical rates of revolution to be the astronomical sources of the seven types of spiral-cyclic energy we term the rays; well, at least within the boundaries of the cosmic Logoic ring-pass-not! As you know; Uranus, Neptune and Saturn are Major synthesizing bodies, a supernal trinity in our solar system yet at the same time simultaneously appear as three of the manifested seven sacred planetary schemes.

The Major Three

S> Please note the wording here: "three groups of solar bodies"; in this context not spoken of as cosmic "bodies".

With regard to the interlocking triangles between the stars of the GT Bear, our planetary logoi and the stars of the Pleiades - I am seeing these as equivalent to the planets of two schemes being in relationship to the chain of another scheme - ie that there is a difference in level. My supposition is that you see them all on the same level and you would explain this by saying that our planets are brothers of the sun in which case our solar system could be seen as a ‘constellation’ at least in potential. Is this a correct summation of your position?

S> Yes, correct. Our 4th order constellation will not reach its full or correct unfoldment until the next solar system. When a physical scheme, planetary or systemic enters pralaya, that is not to say that it is not held in its [Laya] state only to emerge in a later system; This is why it is difficult to judge a systems inner place or magnitude based on its outer magnitude in its contemporary physical embodiment, structure or brillance, luminosity. The appearance of our solar system will be radically altered in the third of its manifestations!!!Just imagine for a moment its future brillance, magnitude and intensity.

Ray I

Ray II

Ray III

The Cosmic Logoic Personality expression:

The Logos of the Great Bear.................Mental aspect

The Logos of the Sun Sirius..................Astral aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades....................Physical aspect

The cosmic Logoic Triad:

The Logos of the Great Bear................Atmic aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades....................Buddhic aspect

The Logos of the sun Sirius.................Mahat aspect

The Cosmic Logoic Monad:

The Logos of the Great Bear...................Will aspect

The Logos of the Little Bear....................Love aspect

The Logos of the Pleiades.......................Intelligence aspect

Ok I see the merit of this table but wonder where you have derived it - from the variety of quotes and hints in the teachings? What do you make of the flip in the triad ( Sirius going to third aspect) ( although the causal body is the ‘heart’ of the monad )

S> Yes, synthesized, distilled, extrapolated and abstracted from years of technical study and meditation.

In connection with the karma of the solar Logos, the subject is even more abstract and incomprehensible. It lies hidden - not in the seven constellations - but in the three constellations which concern the three bodies of His Personality and which in themselves are but manifestations of a central LIFE past our concept and our recognition. It concerns the manifestation in time and space of the ONE ABOUT WHOM NAUGHT MAY BE SAID, [T.C.F.801]

Now - while I understand the concept of applying the three big dudes to the personality as an overview, surely there are seven constellations in the real big guy ( which may or may not INCLUDE Gt Bear, Sirius & Pleiades ). Therefore three of these must have a direct relationship with the three lower cosmic planes, even if they are later absorbed in the major three. Do you think these lower three are Betelgeuse, Antares and Draco?

S> Yes. Note how the first three of the seven Paths lead to the lower cosmic centers.

Path I........Basic...........Draco

Path II.......Sacral..........Antares

Path III......Solar Plexus....Betelgeuse

then:

Path IV......Ajna........Sirius

Path V.......Heart.......[Sol]

Path VI......Throat......Pleiades

Path VII.....Head........Great Bear

Simple, perfect,neat sequence of relations - not complex - easily understandable.

From the sevenfold great Bear.

From the Sun Sirius.

From the Pleiades. [T.C.F.1182]

This is beautifully put together Stephen - a synthetic grasp of the whole system. OM!

The Rod of the cosmic Logos associated with our solar Logos is secreted in that central spot in the heavens around which our solar system revolves, and which is termed "the central spiritual sun."

1. Cosmic, used by a cosmic Logos in the initiations of a solar Logos and of the three major Planetary Logoi.

The lesser cosmic initiations of the planetary Logoi of the seven solar systems are presided over by the Cosmic Christ

The twenty eight ideas in the mind of god. The twenty eight stars in Capricorn

1. The sun Sirius,

2. The Pleiades,

3. The Great Bear.

1. Akashic.

2. Electrical.

3. Pranic

The way I am reading it is that this guy would be a super-cosmic logos ie he would contain constellations as his centres?

S> No, I just see Him as our cosmic Logos - 1/7th - a single great constellation - in the body of a cosmic Parabrahman; quite small and limited relatively speaking. The Grand Cosmic Sun of the Parabrahman is His corresponding CSS. He revolves around that Greater Cosmic sun with six other cosmic Logoi of equal rank - all OAWNMBS. I recognise no other levels besides the four inter-realted groups of cosmic, solar, planetary and human Logoi on the four superior planes of the Arupa universe. What center out of the seven centers is the Great Maharishi in relation to Prabrahman is the relevent question here.

1.The seven stars, composing the Great Bear.

2.The seven stars, composing the Pleiades, sometimes called the seven "sisters" or "wives" of the Rishis or informing Lives of the Great Bear.

3. The sun, Sirius. [E.A.420]

Note: The seven sacred planets of our solar system referred to as one of the "four groups of stars". Also note the direct inference that the Sirian system is a sevenfold system as well.

So the way I am understanding your take on this is:

Sirius is a triple system which operates through our sevenfold system - in a way perhaps it synthesises our system - is that correct?

S> The great white Lodge on Sirius is operating and active on all seven solar systems. Its initiates found the hierarchical Lodges on the 49 Planetary Schemes of the Cosmic system.

Or are you seeing Sirius as a separate system of seven stars that form triangles with our planets as ‘stars’ as well as the other two septenates?

S> Yes, exactly again 4X7=28; this numerical sequence is key. Four inter-related groups of septenary stars form the Quaternary of our cosmic Logos. Our sun, the 4th aspect of the One Cosmic Life manifests as His seven principle centers on the systemic etheric plane, the buddhic plane, the 4th.

Where does our Sun fit into this?

S. The 4th aspect of the One Cosmic Life, the vital, etheric body.

Also see my paper for an understanding of how the first four centres in a being can become the lower quaternary in another being. I wonder what these three formless ( relatively ) higher groups are. And where are they - we would have to postulate another whole series of planes above the cosmic plane. Oh goody more space to explore!

S> I have enjoyed your thoughts and speculations on the subject and am anxious to learn and study your thoughts more!

On the Sirian system

The triple flame in the heart. The three fold sun.

So does this mean that Siius does have a septenary display as well - ie is tenfold?

S. Yes, I think so.

this idea is seen figured in the construction of the great Intra-cosmic soul of our cosmic Logos - the Great Maharishi. It is not based on the number 12 is are the Lotuses of the other lesser Logoi but the number 10. Yes, a supernalflame surmounting seven tiers of petals - the seven solar schemes. Again the idea of a supernal three and a manifest seven is preserved. completing the Perfect 10. Or again, we seen figured the central Cosmic Idea of a triple life [spirit/soul/body] manifesting through seven centers. [classical occultism]The symbolism of the archetypical second ray 50 year orbital period of Sirius B around sirius A should not be lost on the numerically well trained trained esotericist.

S, Yes, 49 groups of planetary souls is more correct even though all 49 are cosmic souls which find their place on the third sub-plane of the cosmic mental plane.

See my thoughts on the role of Sirius being similar to Venus in the midicosm ( yes we need a new word for solar states between cosmic and human!

S> sirius and Venus perform analogous functions in the solar system and in the cosmic system. Exactly!

Yes I correlate the relationship between Ursa Minor and Sirius with the relationship between Jupiter and Venus.

S> Yes, in one sense I think you are quite right! a cosmic Avatar, of course, the ultimate Avatar, the Cosmic Christ

We get so retentive with all this physical astronomy stuff when these stars are really just the outpicturing in etheric matter of consciousness!

S. Yes. Never forget that. Disabuse your mind of the idea that centers are physical things. They are directly related to the Monad and the fire of the spirit!!!

It has to do with the response of the ENTITY, to Whom our solar Logos is but a center in His Body, to the contacts made on that center and on its cosmic opposite. These two centers, for instance, our solar system and its cosmic opposite, ] in their interaction create a cycle period which has a relation to the "ONE WHO IS ABOVE OUR LOGOS." This is, of course; beyond human conception, but must be included in our enumeration of cycles if exactitude is to be achieved. [T.C.F.285]

Naughty naughty Stephen. He doesn’t say that Sirius is our cosmic opposite. Perhaps there are good reasons to think so. I would like to hear them though.

S> Have I possibly read this reference incorrectly? I actually do see it like that.

I have a couple of clarifications that I think will help our discussions - well mine at least!

The way I am thinking is this.

There is a being ‘seven solar systems of which ours is one’ that I would call a cosmic logos ( he contains seven suns )

I am seeing this being on a par with Gt Bear Sirius and so on ( although ) not part of the major three. So this cosmic logos ( SSSOWOIO) along with the other cosmic logoi ( Gt Bear etc being constellational logoi - ie having seven suns as their centres ) make up a greater super-cosmic logos ( who I think is not separate from the ‘unknown’ on page 293 or a Cosmic Parabrahm ( 344 ). The Throat chakra of this being would appear to be the Pleiades and the whole system circles this being in the same way that the planetary scheme ‘circles’ Saturn.

S> I don't recognise any such entity as a SSSOWOIO; have not come across or seen those letters in print in the blue books! [smile!] Or OAWNMBS levels I, II, or III, etc. I must admit to prefer DK's terminology, classifications and ontological schema, i.e., 7 human logoi; seven planetary Logoi; seven solar Logoi; seven cosmic Logoi - beyond that - who knows... only Parabrahman.

I essentially regard the book a TCF as an exegesis on the threefold personality of our Cosmic Logos encompassing the three lower cosmic planes. For all practical intents and purposes of Hierarchical Instruction, I think that it is safe to say that the ring-pass-not of our cosmic Logos is the "line drawn in the sand" which we may not transgress and are forbidden to pass - as is the Highest Dhyani chohan of the system, we are told.

Really Stephen this is a beautiful piece of work. Bought tiers to my I’s!

S> thanks! A few more tiers opened never hurt anybody!

In appreciation

Bruce