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Correspondence on Cosmic Logoi - MDR, SDP
Dear Brother,
Dear Brother SP,
It is Christmas morning, 2000, here in Finland. Our intensifying exchange has meant a lot to me, stimulating me to think in ways which (for long) I have not forced myself to do. I tried to give you a call yesterday evening, to wish you a merry Christmas, and to talk to you personally for a few minutes, but my phone card did not work properly from Finland, and so I was stopped. Still, I am thinking of you and our dialogue for the sake of Truth. It come at an important time in my life, and I hope it is potentially as valuable for you as I think it is for me.
I thought, perhaps to list the questions which I have scattered throughout our exchanges, in the interests of being more focused. If we can define the areas in which we have different points of view, we have a better chance of clarifying and eliminating (where possible) those difference.
Some questions below are of a general nature and some specific. To some of these questions, I have proposed answers. To others I have only directions of thought and no really satisfactory answers.
1. To what extent do the outer configuration of star systems reflect
their inner, subtle configuration? For example, there are
seven major energies connected with the Great Bear and also seven major
observable stars; there are seven major energies connected with the
Little Bear (but it is not so easy to decide upon seven major stars
through which the Great Bear energies are transmitted); there are two
basic energies coming from Sirius and there are two stars generally
to be observed when one looks at Sirius as usually consideredSirius
A and Sirius B; there are three basic energies from the Pleiades (but
no such obvious three stars are to be seen amidst the seven or nine) 2. To what extent are the magnitude of stars and star system an indication of the spiritual development of the logoi Who inform them? What, for instance, would you say about the relative spiritual development or status of the logoi of our system (Sol), Sirius, Betelgeuse, and Alnilamhaving as they do such differing absolute magnitudes and solar-luminosities? (For the purposes of definition, if a star has one solar luminosity (SL), it is exactly as radiant as our Sun, (Sol). Solar luminosities are used to determine absolute magnitude 3. How does the principle of relativism help us define the true nature of the relations between stars and star systems? Let us think, in this regard, of visual magnitude and absolute magnitude and how these two modes of measurement reveal different kinds of relationships between stars and constellations. For instance, Sirius (so close to us) and so bright, visually, to us, is very important to our solar system, and probably to our local constellations consisting of seven major solar logoi; but Sirius (whose absolute magnitude is far weaker than its visual magnitude {as that visual magnitude seems to us to us}. may be far less important within the OAWNMBS, than it is to our immediate solar system and the members of our immediate constellation (the SSSOWOIO). 4. Within chakra systems, are chakras (though different in relative intensity and unfoldment) comparable in hierarchical structure? Is there a principle which states that within any chakra system, all chakras must be similar kinds of entitiesi.e., all globes, all chains, all planetary schemes, all solar logoi, all constellational logoi, etc., etc., even all galaxies and beyond? 5. How important is chakric magnitudinal consistency within any chakra system? a. For instance, within the chakra system of a solar logos, certain planetary schemes are considered to be major chakras. Are there any instances in which beings of lesser or greater ontological status (i.e., status-in-being) than a planetary logos are also found representing the major chakras of a solar logos? b. For instance, the major chakras within a planetary scheme are represented by planetary chains. Are there any instances in which beings of lesser or greater ontological status than a planetary chain lord are also found representing the major chakras of a planetary logos? c.
A constellation is composed of solar logoi and their representative
suns. According to the tabulation on TCF 293, these solar logoi represent
the chakras within a cosmic Logos. On this page, a cosmic
logos is one which expresses through a constellationhence
my term, constellational logos. d. What I call a super-constellational logos, and what, on TCF 293 are called the Unknown and elsewhere the OAWNMBS, has major chakras which are represented by constellations or by cosmic logoi. Are there any instances in which beings of lesser or greater ontological status than cosmic logoi are also found representing the major chakras of super-constellational logoi? e.
It is precisely here, that you may say, Yes. Without
excessive concern, you mix constellations and solar logoi as major centers
of the OAWNMBS. True, you say the Sirius (because there is a Sirius
B) is a constellation. And your refer to the Secret Doctrine,
remembering that the planets are brothers of our Sun, and
hence imply that the planets are, as if, stars, and that, therefore,
our solar system is really a constellation. Re Antares,
I am not sure how you handle the problem.
6.
Are the constellations which have
been classified and named, really only convenient pictures to
be used a mnemonic devices, or (in many instances) do they reflect the
associations of star-entities who are actually cooperating, physically
and metaphysically? 7. Does the contiguity (relative nearness) of stars in space suggest their physical and metaphysical association and group-cooperation? Five of the seven major stars of the Great Bear are apparently moving in the same direction. The Pleiadian cluster has stars which exist in very close proximity. Are these time-space relations significant as indicators of metaphysical and cooperation? 8. What are the implications to the fact that our Sun belongs to a constellation of seven solar systems? (cf. EA p. 50 and 467) In this question I am not conceiving of the Sun belonging to a group of seven constellations. I do mean solar systems. 9. What are the star members of this constellation, which I call the SSSOWOIO? With which chakras can they be reasonably associated? Thus far (excluding the possible membership of Sirius), I include Alpha and Beta Centauri, and Procyon. There is a star in Eridanus and maybe on in Ceti (all very close to our SunI have to get my books to check). There are, of course, a number of smaller brown and red stars quite close to our Sun, but I do not count these stars as likely to be major or likely to represent the seven principles (even though they may, technically, be members of the constellation of which our Sun is a member). 10. Is Sirius a member of this constellation? Why or why not? If, yes, then why is it listed separately on p. 50 of EA? If no, why is it so close to our solar system, and to the stars within which our star is presently associated.? This is a great question, and cannot lightly be dismissed, even though functions for Sirius within a greater Logos are understood to be quite different from those of our Sun, Sol. 11. Is it possible for Sirius to be a member of our local constellation, the SSSOWOIO, and yet have a distinct function from the rest of the stars which are also members? I ask this of us for many reasons, but also, in the back of my mind, is the memory that the solar plexus center (of man at least) has two points of light within itone higher and one lover. 12. Why, in your enumeration of constellational centers within the OAWNMBS, do you ignore, overlook or discount the importance constellation to which our Sun belongs? It is my contention that our Sun surely belongs to a constellation. Thus far, it is my contention, that stand-alone-solar logoi are very rare, and virtually an impossibility. Ever wheel is a chakra, and every chakra (if it is a major chakra) demands six others to be associated with. 13.
What is your reason for assigning
our Sun as the destination of the Ray Path? Do not all Cosmic
Paths lead out of our solar system except for onethe Path
of Earth Service? 14. On the Chart (TCF 344), does the dotted line from the causal body of our solar logos to one of the stars in the Great Bear, signify the prototype relationship of this Great Bear star to our star? I note it is the fourth star (the fourth triangle among seven triangles which represent the Great Bear in this diagram). 15. Astronomically, can you really place the Pleiades at the center of all zodiacal constellations (the Zodiac of Twelve) and also at the center of the of ten of the Zodiac of Ten? a. Astronomically, are not the Pleiades really outside the zodiacal circle of 12? Are they not really beyond in light years the major stars in Aries, Taurus, Gemini, (maybe also Cancer) and Leo?which are constellations which are seen when one looks in the general direction of the Pleiades? And also, still farther beyond Sagittarius, Scorpius, Libra (which are in back of the observer, as he looks towards the Pleiades [thus, looking through Taurus and Gemini} in order to see them)? b. Does the Zodiac of Ten revolve vertically to the Zodiac of Twelve? This would seem to make sense, and I cannot see that it could be any other way, as there are three circumpolar constellations (Great Bear, Little Bear {which I include} and Dragon) and at least one and maybe more southern constellations (Antares-Centaur, and Sirius {which is quite southern})and thus, their extension seems a North/South extension rather than an East/West extension. c.
The Rays revolve vertical to the planes. 10 and 5 are related
to man and manas; 12 and 6 are related to the devas; planes are devic;
rays are more man-related; I think it could fit. But if this cross (or
two circles revolving like a cross with respect to each other)
defines the motions of the two zodiacs with respect to each other, then
in what ways could it be said that any of the members of the Zodiac
of Ten are in the signs or constellations of the Zodiac of 12?
13. Will a study of orbital mechanics and dynamics reveal rotational periods for the Greater Seven according to the numbers presented in your theorization. a. A study of orbital mechanics in our solar system reveals, obviously, that, with respect to the planets, the larger the orbit, the greater the orbital period. b. Using the Law of Analogy, can we say that such orbital mechanics would apply to solar systems revolving around their center and to constellations revolving around their center. I tend to think so, but the numbers are so great by comparison to planetary periods, and so little subject even to the most modern observation. c. In the usual rotational scheme, those bodies which are closer to the center revolve faster, or at least, complete their periods faster. d. I have discussed the problem that the Pleiades does not seem to be the center of the wheel of the Zodiac of Twelve (which I explained in general). Even, however, if it were the center, a special study of the rotational movement of stars within constellations would have to be undertaken so that we could find the speeds required of associated stars in order for them to preserve their relative distances, or what I call, constellational integrity. e. Those stars in the Zodiac of Twelve which were closer to the center would have to revolve faster than those stars which were further (even if the closer and further stars were in the same constellation). This might present certain problems which I can only hint at, but so far am unable to discuss with real intelligence. Our studies should make such discussion possible. f. Whereas you do no (as far as I know) specify a rotational period for the entire Zodiacal Wheel of Twelve, you do propose orbital periods for seven constellations which are part of the Zodiac of Ten (and presumably) the major parts. g. As I am remembering these numbers: 1) 90,000 years for the seven Pleiades; 2) 150,000 years for Antares; 3) 250,000 years for our solar system; 4) 350,000 years for Orion; 5) 500,000 years for Sirius; 6) 700,000 years for Draco; and, I think, 1,000,000 for the Great Bear. h. I believe that the attempt to preserve these figures will violate almost all that we know about orbital mechanics and dynamics. I say this because stars relatively father from the center will have to travel faster than stars relatively closer. Antares (very far from the Pleiadesperhaps 800 lys) will have to travel faster than Sirius or our Sun, both of which are at a distance of about 400 lys. i. I am trying to think about how this (and many other similar problems) can be overcome. I am thinking about vertical rotationa wheel of stars which are rotating on a circle (loosely a circle) which is perpendicular to the plane of the Zodiac of Twelve. I am thinking, Could the entire wheel revolved at the same speed, thus preserving relative distances and constellational integrity. BUT, if this were the case, some outer stars of constellations would have to travel very fastfaster, I think, than even possible. (All this must be carefully studied) j. Our problem is this: 1) if stars travel around their center at speeds which are commensurate with what we understand about orbital mechanics, it would not be long before the constellations as we know them would fall apart, and the now-associated stars would lose their present relative distances and constellational integrity would be violated; 2) IF, however, we sought to see the proposed circle of constellations in the Zodiac of Ten revolving as if they were a wheel, all together, then the speeds required by the outer stars (in order to keep the constellations together) would be, I think, greater than allowable. At one point I checked this, and determined that speeds pushing the speed of light were to be found. I cannot confirm this; I must check it again. k. When we are dealing with single bodies like planets, revolving around their center, we have no problem. The body is, as it were, alone, and does not have to keep in any configuration with other bodies. The many changes within our solar system (and which astrology studies) are based upon such independent revolution. l. However, we several bodies must stay together in their revolution, we have a real problem, for reasons stated above. The only solution to this problem is to say that the Lord of a Constellation can work through groupings of stars irrespective of where they are relative to each other. While this might seem possible, the stars we identify as related are all contiguous (more or less) in space. m. Maybe star groupings are very temporal, with stars entering and leaving groups just as people doover time. Perhaps the distances are so vast compared to speeds of stars, that the associations which will one day dissociate, remain associated long enough to be considered qualitatively cooperative as a constellation for many years in the life of man or humanity. n. Well, these are all problems of perspective. From the geocentric perspective of our little turning Earth, these problems do not appear, because the great wheels are considered (from the Earthly perspective) relatively stationary or fixed. But when we start talking about the turning of Great Wheels (like the Zodiac of Twelve or the Zodiac of Ten) then new problems arise which must be solved. o. Am, I being clear in at least delineating these problems? I hope so. Even though my grasp of astronomy is still to inadequate too move very far in their solution. 14. Just as planets have more than one ray, as do zodiacal constellations, do the members of the Zodiac of Ten have more than one ray? Almost certainly, this is the case. Then, if so, and we can identify these rays (a big IF) what do these identifications tell us about the function of these constellations? Some constellations) by analogy are sacred (have taken the constellational equivalent to the fifth degreeor whatever degree makes them sacred) and some are not sacred. Presumably, there may be three synthesizing constellations (like Uranus, Neptune and Saturn in the world of planets) the most advanced. Then sacred constellations (corresponding to Vulcan, Mercury, Venus, and to a degree, Jupiter), and some non-sacred. Sometimes I think that Orion is to OAWNMBS what Jupiter is to our solar logos (and you will know why). The Sagittarian connection supports it, and even Betelgeuse (so big and transmitting, apparently R2 energy) can be related to this idea. 15. Is Venus the heart center within the solar logos or is Jupiter? OR, in some way, are they both representatives of this heart center? It may not be out of place to refer here to EP II 99, wherein thee great Entities Who each express themselves through three planets are mentioned. But the connections are enigmatical (in some cases) and the possible application of this information is obscure. 16. Does a planets chakric function within our present solar system really relate to the monadic ray, or does it rather relate to the soul ray. Or do planets have differing chakric functions, some according to the monadic ray, some according to the soul ray, and even some according to the personality ray? For instance, the EarthP3, S2, M1. Is its present function really relating to its R1 monad, or is that type of functioning reserved for its next incarnation in the next (third/sixth solar system)? Perhaps its present function is more splenic (relating to the third ray and a little to its second ray soulfor the spleen specializes solar vitality? Or could Earth and Venus form a pair, with Venus definitely related to the solar solar plexus, and astrally polarized Earth also be somehow involved in that solar plexus interplay (which is at least dual) I think of Pollux (a single and a giant) and Castor (which, as I understand it) consists of six stars in three pairs! 17. In what way do the seven head centers (which are not the threecrown, ajna and alta major) relate to larger chakra system, and especially to the seven for which they are the control centers. How also do these seven head centers particularly relate to the crown center? 18. In what ways is a cluster of stars different, hierarchically, in scope and power from a constellation of starsif they are different? Because I believe in preserving magnitudinal consistency when ascending in any hierarchical system, I believe the clusters are more important than normal constellations, just as, I presume globular clusters are important within the physical and metaphysical hierarchy of the galaxy. 19. In what way is Alcyone the central spiritual sun? In what way are the Pleiades to be considered the central spiritual sun? 20. Is the fact that the Pleiades are a cluster relate it to the fact that it can be considered the central spiritual sun? Alcyone is such a Sun for our Sol, but I believe the Pleiades (as a whole) are such a Sun for the larger system. 21. Given that (in man at least) the thousand petalled lotus is thousand petalled, whereas all other chakras have nowhere near this number of petals, should there be an astronomical structure of sufficient size and intensity (greater than that of other related astronomical structures) to represent this greatest lotus? Behind my question is the question of whether a star cluster is perhaps necessary to represent this 1000 petalled lotus within the anatomical structure of the OAWNMBS. 22. When considering the orders of solar logoi (ours being of the fourth order and Betelgeuse being of the second order), what to these order numbers really mean? Are they to be related to hierarchical development; to monadic ray? Externally, are their correlations with color (spectral type), with size and temperature? 23. Whereas solar logoi apparently have orders, do constellations
also have order numbers? 24. Can it be that the truth about Orion is much blinded because
of the danger of meditating upon it? 25. Are there ten constellations in the Zodiac of Ten? Seven
major constellations are always discussed and it is hard to find more
than seven (of that exalted magnitude) to fill the role of chakras within
the Super-Constellational Logos. But the analogy from our planetary
system suggests that, though there are only seven major sacred planets
(including the synthesizing planets) the major chakras in our solar
Logos demand more than these seven planets, especially because
some of the major chakras are in or around the head. There is also the
possibility that more than one planetary scheme may participate in the
manifestation of a given solar Logoic chakra. 26. There are 12 basic energies in all (EA 85). With which sign
of the zodiac is each of these 12 energies associated? There
are seven from the Great Bear (transmitted through the Little Bear);
two from Sirius and three from the Pleiades. Presumably each of these
twelve is associated with a particular sign of the zodiac.
I am now reaching the end of my questions (which I address, ongoingly, to both of us. Of course, there are many more. They arise like mushrooms as one goes deeper into these matters. But included in these are some of the main ones which will not leave my mind.
I send them to you now hoping that the next number of months will see increasing clarification on these matters.
I am also serious in thinking that our exchange of letters could be published one day, just as those between Freud and Jung, or between Leibniz and (who else was it?). Not that we are the great minds of the astrological century (well the century is very new!), but I think the scope of this discussion will be mind-expanding to many, and will be a service. I know from what you have said that you agree.
With love as always,
Bro. MDR |
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